by Ezra Klein
Standard & Poor’s announced Friday night that it downgraded the U.S. government’s AAA credit rating. The administration reportedly has been pressuring the credit rating agency to reconsider.
Tyler Cowen has six useful thoughts here. I’d add a few more:
1) S&P is downgrading their estimation of our political system, not our actual ability to pay our debts. Indeed, the past 36 hours offered a stunning demonstration of the market’s faith in our ability to pay our debts. The panic sent investors rushing to buy Treasuries, sending yields on 10-year Treasuries to 2.4 percent -- that’s almost nothing -- and demonstrating that American debt is still considered the safest bet in the world. That vote of confidence under real world conditions is far more important than anything S&P says.
2) Of course S&P is downgrading our political system. Did you see the nonsense we pulled over the past few months? The Republican Party took the country to the brink of default, and for what? A smaller and less certain deficit-reduction deal than they could have gotten if they had been willing to compromise with the Democrats. And then Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell said these default-driven deals wouldbe the norm around Washington from now on. Why shouldn’t S&P downgrade our debt?
3) This is very odd timing from S&P. The markets are very fragile right now. But you can take that both ways: It suggests that S&P either wanted to make a huge splash with their downgrade, or, because they’re doing it at a time when investors have precisely zero other options they like and are thus likely to continue to hold Treasuries -- see point #1 -- that they don’t want to make too much of a splash.
4) The S&P might call out Republicans for refusing to accept any deal that increases taxes. This could be important. I’m often told that there are a large number of Senate Republicans who would like to pass a grand bargain even if it includes revenues. Note, for instance, the positive reaction many Senate Republicans had to the Gang of Six plan, which raised $2 trillion in revenues. If this is true, then the S&P report will give these Republicans the excuse they have needed to strike a compromise.
5) It is entirely possible that a downgrade will not show up in Treasury yields, but will nevertheless harm the economy by leading to a downgrade of various types of debt linked to federal payments (state and municipal debt, certain forms of corporate debt, etc.) and contributing to the general climate of “we’re not out of the woods yet.” There’s no particular reason a corporation or entrepreneur should have been feeling confident about our prospects for recovery last month, but there’s absolutely no chance they’re feeling confident about our prospects this week.
Related: Megan McArdle has more commentary. There’s also thisreport from the centrist think tank Third Way, though I think the scenario is describes is more alarmist than this particular situation warrants. Here’s my interview with the S&P director responsible for the downgrade, if it happens.
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Understandable though. The last folks that stood up as President or as a candidate for President that meant to make it stick against B/S wars were Jack and Bob Kennedy, and look what it got them. And all they had to do was end the draft and instantly, no more protest against B/S wars. You folks keep arguing Left/Right-Dem-Republican. They got us right where they want us.
Pink Himalayan Salt Calculators are as accurate and precise as those used by Standard and Poor's. see Enron, S&P, and McMegan's every other post for how accurate (and inane) such commentary is.
Ezra has now officially become the House Pundit. too funny
I hope he is happy.
It take two to tango, Klein.
You're too clever by half, I'm afraid.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_...
"When comparing the U.S. to sovereigns with 'AAA' long-term ratings that we view as relevant peers--Canada, France, Germany, and the U.K.--we also observe, based on our base case scenarios for each, that the trajectory of the U.S.'s net public debt is diverging from the others. Including the U.S., we estimate that these five sovereigns will have net general government debt to GDP ratios this year ranging from 34% (Canada) to 80% (the U.K.), with the U.S. debt burden at 74%. By 2015, we project that their net public debt to GDP ratios will range between 30% (lowest, Canada) and 83% (highest, France), with the U.S. debt burden at 79%. However, in contrast with the U.S., we project that the net public debt burdens of these other sovereigns will begin to decline, either before or by 2015."
S&P must not see the approaching Republican landslide or recognize its fiscal policy implications.
You see, my friends, we are sunk. We have a President who knows virtually no economics and has no courage with a Congress that is incredibly irresponsible, and a Senate composed of old fogies. Our government is highly dysfunctional and not up to the challenges of the 21st century.
Meanwhile, the media thinks it can play favorites with information (such as not speaking about the above in the first paragraph).
We are therefore sunk until our Country becomes courageous and permits the speaking of truth again.
Ezra, I rarely engage in ad hominem - but you're an idiot. BTW saw you on morning Joe with the Santelli - the bell you heard was signifying "class in session".
We have a democrat party that has not submitted a budget for close to 3 years - and it is the republicans who are causing a lack of faith in matters fiscal - yeah right. The downgrade is based on our out of control spending and the amount of debt we have - they (S&P) said we needed $4T in cuts over 10 years and all we could get the dems to agree to (kicking and screaming) is a measly $1.2T (with a "promise" for more later).
If your party doesn't start taking this seriously and raising taxation levels from the lowest we've had since 1948 and repealing the Bush Jr. "surplus" tax cuts, this country is doomed. You cannot balance this budget with austerity alone, you will destroy the economy.
We are a dying civilization.
Just watch.....the polls are showing it already!!!!
Like most rational people I have confidence in evidence based policies. That is how to create a sound business, an effective school or a well run government.
Faith has no place in the business world. Faith is a five letter word that means you don't understand, but are sure that you are correct. That is what the Tea party has fundamentally misunderstood. Being clueless means that you should listen and learn.
They have Faith that tax cuts will solve all our problems.
S&P has several hundred years of evidence that cuts alone will not solve a problem this big.
You can see who the market trusts.
Now it can say the same for the the United States.
Well Afghanistan also likes to take credit for that accomplishment.
Partisans are funny and annoying.
"Deficits don't matter" – Dick Cheney, VP 2001 – 2009
"http://www.offthechartsblog.org/what’s-driving-projected-debt/"
http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3...
An earlier version of that study with some information not in the later version"
http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3...
http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/misleading-mantra-ta...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/43917503#4...
It id now going on a sustained decline.
Good going. GOP and DEMs.
"Deficits don't matter" – Dick Cheney, VP 2001 – 2009
"http://www.offthechartsblog.org/what’s-driving-projected-debt/"
http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3...
An earlier version of that study with some information not in the later version"
http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3...
http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/misleading-mantra-ta...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/43917503#4...
After all, Bernancke knows all about the GREAT DEPRESSION
"Deficits don't matter" – Dick Cheney, VP 2001 – 2009
"http://www.offthechartsblog.org/what’s-driving-projected-debt/"
http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3...
An earlier version of that study with some information not in the later version"
http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3...
http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/misleading-mantra-ta...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/43917503#4...